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Myth versus reality in nation’s founding

Posted 4/19/10

In response to Charlotte Cushmann’s statement (April 3 letter) that our country was founded on the idea that people have rights.

That’s not quite accurate. The only people who had rights were …

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Myth versus reality in nation’s founding


In response to Charlotte Cushmann’s statement (April 3 letter) that our country was founded on the idea that people have rights.

That’s not quite accurate. The only people who had rights were white men. Women had no rights, the native people certainly had no rights, the slaves who were hauled here in chains had no rights. So really, our country was founded on genocide and built on the backs of slaves.

And by the way…what is wrong with being our brother’s keeper? Isn’t that what Jesus taught?

Jacki Fisher

Ely, Minn.

Jackie Fisher


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I agree Jacki--look how much better things are now that women and black people have rights.

Tuesday, April 20, 2010

Why do I think that the previous comment reeks of sarcasm, racism, bitterness ... and, as usual, ignorance.

Wednesday, April 21, 2010

You forgot sexism.

Thursday, April 22, 2010

Jacki F.- Giving people money for doing nothing should be a voluntary charitable contribution. I am not my brother's keeper. I give to the united way at work. I put money in the containers at grocery stores for people in need and the salvation army kettles. I do not support, nor will I every giving money to people that have made poor life choices and choose not to support themselves either due to alcohol, drug addiction or teen pregnancy. Choices have concequences. Re-distributing hard working folks money to people that don't do anything is not helping them. That is a fact. Help with schooling, apprenticeships for employment would be a good use of my tax dollars, anything else is a waste of money. I don't know about you, but I work too hard for mine to give it away. We need to stop being a country of entitlements. Require $1.00 back from those that receive any government money in the form of community service. The ONLY exception would be the elderly and disabled. Drug abuse and alcoholism do not count as a disability in my world.

Thursday, April 22, 2010

Wow, I am sure glad this is a nation (make that world) where everyone has the ability to make it on their own.

Thursday, April 22, 2010

People like to talk about "rights". I found this back when Health Care was being debated and I thought it was good. This talkes about doctors and nurses but you could plug in whoever you want and I think it would fit. Posted by "tiwaz 27,,,Interesting that liberals presume that everyone has a "right" to healthcare. Health care is not provided by nature, it is provided by individuals and companies who take time and effort to become doctors and nurses, ect. and create drugs, devices, and implants. Therefore, your "right" to healthcare involves taking the work of another for your use. This is called slavery. You do not have the right to take someone else's property, lively-hood ect. unless you provide just compensation in a transaction defined by a contract between two individuals. There is no contract, when the power of goverment is used to take that work. Liberals need to know that your "rights" are not 'given" to you by government, nor by the bill of rights. Your "rights' are endowed by your creator(God, nature, whatever your desire to believe in or not believe), and are yours simply by being alive. If you notice, none of the "rights"involve your "right" to intrude on someones else's "rights".

Thursday, April 22, 2010

Well said JayBerg. Jay Tee just got punk'd

Friday, April 23, 2010

I am so glad you guys are healthy ... in body if not in mind.

Not sure you would know a right if you saw one. And to bring god in to this is preposterous!

Your thoughts are truly beyond belief in a civilized society.

Friday, April 23, 2010

So those of us that don't feel like handing over more and more of our paychecks to corrupt politicians are not "civilized"? Fine by me.

Friday, April 23, 2010

jtormoen... I'm not sure what post you were reading, I don't think it was mine. It clearly says

"God, nature, whatever your desire to believe in or not believe" In other words you don't have to believe in anything, "rights" are yours just be being alive.

Friday, April 23, 2010

What is wrong with being our brother's keeper? Everything is wrong with it. It is the foundation of altruism and of statism. The biggest thing wrong with the "brother's keeper" idea is what is not explicitly said, but most definitely implied. That a man does not have a right to live for his own sake, but must instead live to serve the needs of others. Whether those others are "his brothers" or the church or the king of England matters not - the main point is that altruism decrees that it is immoral - evil - to live for his own sake.

And that is just the beginning of what is wrong with what Jesus said.

America at her founding did have errors, but the concept that Charlotte Cushman spoke of was also correct. The country was built on the idea that men have rights as individuals. And that was a huge leap forward for mankind. It has to be understood in the context of the world at that time. Securing rights for anyone was a major achievement in a world dominated by edicts of church and state (e.g. the crowd who invoke what Jesus said as well as the crowd who invoke the divine right of kings.)

Wednesday, June 23, 2010

It is utterly absurd to claim that "our country was ... built on the backs of slaves". The truth is just the opposite of Jacki Fisher’s wild assertion. Free people built this country. The slaves, who were forbidden an education, to act on their own judgement, and forced to perform repetitive, menial muscular tasks, were a drag on American progress. She has no idea of the evil premise she is promoting with that statement. To claim that the economic powerhouse that is America was "built on the backs of slaves" is to elevate the evil practice of slavery to the exalted position of mankind’s benefactor. If this were true, then history would be one long, unstoppable economic boom, because slavery was a widely accepted practice worldwide throughout mankind’s history prior to the rise of capitalistic Western Civilization.

America is poorer for that evil practice, not richer. To the extent that any Americans were enslaved, was the extent to which the source of material production – the human mind - was stymied. The innovative chemist and agricultural giant George Washington Carver contributed more to American prosperity as a single free man than all of the plantation slaves combined. How many Carvers, and ambitious black men and women generally, failed to flourish because they were locked up in the slave system?

One of America’s greatest freedom fighters recognized that this country was founded on the rights of the individual – all individuals. Read Martin Luther King's “I have a dream” speech of 8/28/63. Despite devastating contradictions in his political premises, the philosophical underpinnings of Martin Luther King’s civil rights crusade rested firmly on the Founding Fathers "magnificent" words, and the "unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Friday, June 25, 2010