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Climate change denial

Trump administration works to undermine the future of the planet

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Next week, we begin a new decade knowing that the clock is ticking. The overwhelming scientific consensus is informing humanity with increasing urgency that climate change threatens to create a cascade of increasingly dire effects, many of which are expected to manifest themselves within the next ten years.
As we’ve already learned, climate change is not just a future threat. It is already wreaking havoc around the planet, from the melting Arctic to the deserts of Australia and the Middle East, that have recently experienced temperatures not previously thought possible on Planet Earth. The changes brought on by climate change are altering ecosystems in profound ways, sparking what many biologists are calling a new mass extinction event. Extreme events, from drought and wildfires, to unprecedented flooding, are already having major impact on economies and generating the beginning of what is certain to be essentially permanent and increasingly dire flows of human refugees.
In the face of what is truly an existential crisis for all life on this planet, we have a President of the United States who has not only turned a blind eye to the crisis, but who takes willful steps to make it worse. Even as dozens of U.S. states are working to meet commitments made under the Paris Climate Accord, the Trump administration is actively fighting those efforts in court. While the rest of the world is rightfully focused on reducing emissions of heat-trapping carbon, President Trump is using the power of his office  to actively increase carbon emissions to both worsen and hasten the effects of climate change.
Such policies border on insanity, and not only because they threaten the future of life on Earth, including humanity. Such policies also harm America’s economic future.
The world is going through a transformation that longtime energy analysts like Jeremy Rifkin call the Fourth Industrial Revolution. Renewable forms of energy, like solar and wind, have fallen dramatically in price and are now the cheapest form of new energy production capacity available. While the Trump administration may tout a return to dirty coal-burning power plants, utilities are going in the opposite direction, both because of consumer demand and because those who make such decisions for power companies live on this planet, too, and are perfectly aware of the unprecedented risks associated with the status quo.
President Trump, in his efforts to turn back the clock to an America where the air was unhealthy to breathe and rivers caught fire, demonstrates his lack of understanding of what is happening elsewhere in the world, and how his backward policies will leave America far behind the curve in terms of innovating, producing, and implementing a new energy future. Forget about a return to greatness. Donald Trump’s policies, if continued much longer, will make America Third World again.
Unfortunately, bad policy in the world’s most critical nation inevitably brings ripple effects. The collapse earlier this month of the U.N. Climate Summit in Madrid was, in part, the result of a lack of strong leadership. The United States, under President Obama, provided that leadership in 2015 and it resulted in the signing of the Paris Climate Accord, upon which the Madrid summit was supposed to build.
Instead, the Trump administration has withdrawn from the Paris Accord and sent virtually no one to the Madrid conference, a decision that undoubtedly contributed to the breakdown in the talks. Rather than leading the world toward a sustainable future, President Trump spent this critical time as he so often does, issuing childish tweets directed at his perceived political enemies. America has never been so lacking in leadership at so critical a time in human history.
Fifty and one hundred years from now, our children and grandchildren will look back on this period of human history with justifiable anger that we understood and recognized the problems posed by climate change, and yet, the leaders we needed to address the threat simply failed to act. As a society, we should be ashamed.

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Scott Atwater

.......and the climate hoax continues. If we aren't being scolded by a truant 16 year old girl with pigtails (who bears a remarkable resemblance to a 1930's Hitler Youth poster), we are subjected to this scientifically unsubstantiated fear mongering.

Saturday, December 28, 2019
jtormoen

Well, dang but that sentence or two of ignorance helps us better understand.

Luckily no name calling/labeling involved int his display of stupidity.

By the way ... oh never mind ... you have no intent at answering ... only in promulgating.

Happy New Year

Saturday, December 28, 2019
Snowshoe2

That first comment was way off base and very very sick. Yes happy New Year and more rational thinking in the future.

Yes Climate change.

Saturday, December 28, 2019
Scott Atwater

Ah, I see the local snowflakes have nothing of substance to offer as usual.

Sunday, December 29, 2019
jtormoen

Often it is better to offer nothing .. than ignorance.

Actually no ... always

But again, happy new year

Sunday, December 29, 2019
Dick Nielsen

Scott,

Assuming the vast majority of scientists in the world are wrong and President Trump is correct, wouldn't it still make sense for our country to hedge our bets and put as much focus on creating new businesses that promote using renewable resources and that might happen to improve the environment rather than continue to use up a finite supply of natural resources that might just add pollution to our environment?

Wouldn't this make some sense even if man-made climate change is a hoax?

Monday, December 30, 2019
Frank Evinrude

Kudos Scott,

Glad to see your commenting again. This one is literally a master class in trolling. The Hoax of course, plus attacking a young child concerned about her future and the planet literally the Time Magazine Person of the Year, and then following up with “unsubstantiated science”. Oh yeah I forgot, comparing her to Hitler Youth. Over the top! That’s Kremlin/KGB quality!

(Fun fact: My Dad was a miner and once every summer in the early ‘60s he would load his 5-horse Scott Atwater into the trunk of his ‘52 Plymouth and we’d head north to Pelican Lake, often staying at Takala’s on the South Shore. Everyday we were out early on our way to Bailey’s and Martin’s Islands on the west end, plying the waters endlessly, trolling with that Scott Atwater and Daredevils hoping to connect with a not very elusive “hauki”. Heading back to Takala’s, quickly trying as we might, the old 5-horse made a lot of noise but it didn’t have much power at full throttle.

Rather than the limited readership of the Timberjay, I think you need to expand your audience and contact Representative Pete and the Department of Defense to plead with them to stop this nonsense regarding climate change. I’m sure they’ll appreciate your comments. Go for it! Become famous.

https://climateandsecurity.org/2019/01/18/new-pentagon-report-the-effects-of-a-changing-climate-are-a-national-security-issue/

Dasvidanya Comrade,

Frank Evinrude,

Mountain Iron

Monday, December 30, 2019
Scott Atwater

Frank,

It wasn't my intention to offend anyone with my observation about young Thunberg, or to disparage her. She has my sympathy, you see, because she is being used by shameless adults who's obvious motivation is to cash in on and further an agenda. Thunberg has been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome and battles bouts of depression. Please explain why the choice of a 16 year old girl as spokesperson for the man made climate change agenda thus afflicted doesn't register as child abuse on your moral compass. Then, please explain why the choice of a 16 year old caucasian girl (are we targeting a specific audience here?) as spokesperson for the man made climate change agenda also doesn't register on your moral compass.

It should be obvious to all that choice of Thunberg as a spokesperson is based on the fact that she is a child, and immune from the scrutiny that an adult spokesperson would certainly face.

It bothers me to see children used/abused by adults like this, and it bothers me that it doesn't bother you..............................comrade Evinrude.

Tuesday, December 31, 2019
Scott Atwater

Dick,

Thanks for your well thought out and polite post. I sincerely appreciate it.

Of course you are right on target with a few exceptions. I'll begin with the scientific method. Simply stated, Man Made Climate Change is a theory. It matters little how many scientists "believe or agree" that it's true until the theory becomes law. Until then, the scientific method demands that scientists attempt to disprove the theory as well as prove it. I'll also mention that the IPCC has been caught falsifying climate data so many times that they are no longer credible. Why are people willing to lie about the data?

I also agree that it makes perfect sense to pursue alternative clean energy. This includes modern nuclear energy, which must be part of any economically serious common sense discussion.

There are people that "believe" the climate can be controlled, and I'm not one of them. I have faith in pure unadulterated science, and in closing I'll leave with this - increases in atmospheric Co2 levels historically lag warming trends, they do not lead it. Some people can connect the dots with this fact, while others can't or won't.

Tuesday, December 31, 2019
bonfire

SA, so your repulsive remarks about Greta Thunberg were simply an innocent accident? It looks quite deliberate to me. You question why a caucasian teen is a spokesperson, "are we targeting a specific audience here?". I hope you are not suggesting "white racism" nonsense or some other conspiracy lunacy.

I'll continue to pray for you and all the flat-earthers, conspiracy cultists, science and fact deniers and revolting insult generators.

Tuesday, December 31, 2019
Scott Atwater

bonfire,

There is nothing repulsive or accidental about my Thunberg remarks, they are observations based on reality. She has propaganda value for people just like you. Dispute that if you care to try. As a matter of fact your emotional reaction only proves my assertion as to why she was chosen as a spokesperson in the first place.

By the way bonfire, people that say prayers were the original flat-earthers...........so try that one on for size.

Tuesday, December 31, 2019
bonfire

SA, You make no sense whatsoever.

Tuesday, December 31, 2019
jtormoen

One persons' "reality" is another person's fascism

Tuesday, December 31, 2019
Snowshoe2

Nine of the last 10 years were record heat world wide. All time Co2 levels in last 200,000years. Greenland icebergs melting at record heat.

Just ask Australia this morning. As we speak they are dying in fires and 1000's are fleeing to the to beaches on Australia's east coast on Tuesday to escape fierce wildfires bearing down on several seaside towns, as the government readied naval vessels and military helicopters to aid firefighting and evacuations.

Yes only 98% agree global warming is real. The other 2% are being paid off. One is a Toronto Professor who said tobacco causing cancer was a Hoax. Wonder how much he is making? If you want facts and data I can supply it. But many wouldn't read it. They are into alternate facts and lies that will benefit them and hurt their grandchildren.

I would like to see the deniers take a test on how much research they have done or how much critical thinking. ZERO is the answer.

Yes,and Greta is doing this on Her own free will and yes we in this Country are the only country in the world denying Climate change now.

Call Australia today and ask them what they think of deniers?

Tuesday, December 31, 2019
Snowshoe2

I meant 98% Scientists agree global warming is real. The facts are there,the experiments are there.

Tuesday, December 31, 2019
Scott Atwater

Snowshoe - No one disputes that the climate changes. It's the cause that we disagree on. All you need to do is provide proof that atmospheric Co2 levels are a direct cause of changing climate rather than a result of the changing climate. A well trained minah bird placed in front of a CNN broadcast could repeat the same mindless BS that you just posted. Provide proof of the theory that you so blindly believe in!

Tuesday, December 31, 2019
snowshoe2

There is many ways to compile the evidence.

We can start with glacial ice cores dating back to 200,000 years or as some scientists are going back 800,000 years. You go maybe 200,000 or 800,00 years examing ice cores and very little change in Co2 levels. Start the industrialized revolution about 1900 and increased use of coal,oil and other fossil fuels CO2 levels increases to all time highs of yesterday at 416 PPM. A remarkable concurrence of events or coincidence that it waited exactly with the industrialized age.

Also like human DNA evidenced used at crime scenes because each human has signature or tags only they have. Not always but fossil fuels most of the time like oil and coal or natural gas will have the C-carbon element in Co2 andwill have a little different makeup called a isotope in the C element than much of the natural carbon.

Fossil fuels are adding about 35% of the present CO2 levels we have now in the atmosphere. The Ocean is taking about 1/2 of the new CO2,otherwise atmosphere levels would be much higher.

The Ocean at present is absorbing half of the new CO2 for awhile it can act as a buffer to some degree for only so long. That is changing already.

Well controlled Lab experiments where CO2 levels are increased artificially, these tests show a direct correlation with retention of heat with increase of CO2 levels. These match up with what is happening on earth.

The world now has the ability to measure CO2 emissions by each country and plug in the data. Data and knowledge is overwhelming.

Like I said 98% Scientists agree on this data and they have the expertise to evaluate this data.

Not some one who denies it because of ones political following. Global warming knows nothing about politics it is made up of chemistry and physics.much beyond my ability.

Its real and we have ZERO right to steal or rob the next generation of a future.

Tuesday, December 31, 2019
Scott Atwater

The 200 - 800 thousand year sample size is much too small to portray the earth's climate trends. There have been ice ages with atmospheric Co2 as high as 4000 ppm. There have also been periods of Co2 levels at 2000 ppm ....with the same temperatures that we have today. Geologically speaking, the present level of 400 ppm is representative of a Co2 famine. Variations in global temperature correlate much more with solar activity and with the complicated cycles of the oceans and atmosphere.

The earth's climate is far too complicated to be simulated in any lab, and I suspect that 97% of your scientists in agreement on "their data" also feed at the trough of government grant money. As stated earlier, there is plenty of historical evidence that as temperature has risen, Co2 followed suit, but even that is an oversimplification. At this stage, no one can honestly say that Co2 drives temperature, it is much more complicated than that.

If anyone is to blame for the politicization of this issue, it would be Al Gore. As we all know, his timeline of doom predictions have long since passed and proven him to be a carbon credit brokering con artist. Unfortunately politics has infiltrated science, as it has everything else, but common sense should tell us one thing............we can't control the climate, and to think that we can is laughable.

Wednesday, January 1
jtormoen

My heart goes out to that 98% of scientists. But they tried!

And happy new year

Wednesday, January 1
snowshoe2

Well I can say going back before my time 15 million years ago CO2 was less or equal to now. The last time there was this much carbon dioxide (CO2) in the Earth's atmosphere, modern humans didn't exist. Megatoothed sharks prowled the oceans, the world's seas were up to 100 FEET higher than they are today, and the global average surface temperature was up to 11°F warmer than it is now. Also Zero glaciers existed than.

Farther back was a time when volcano eruptions were common and CO2 was absorbed in silca from Volcanos. Ability of Silca absorbing CO2 concentrations higher than what was present in the atmosphere. Thus false reading on actual CO2 in the air.

What about the Gophers win over Auburn-Awesome and Happy New year. time to go fishing.

Wednesday, January 1
bonfire

The Atwaters in this country could wonder and actually find out what groups such as fossil fuel industries, etc are funding the 2% of scientists who obfuscate, muddy the waters, global warming and the causes. Many fear knowledge/realities but ignorance is no protection for them or their families. I'll still pray for them even though it's probably an exercise in futility.

Thursday, January 2
Mark Josephson

Snowshoe2,

Thanks for all your effort recently summarizing relevant data. Additionally, with CO2 as the warmup act, methane (CH4) is getting ready to take the stage what with permafrost thaw in the northern regions and release of the trapped gas and microbial production of new CH4. Couple this scenario with rising ocean temperatures, a subsequent decrease of O2 production by phytoplankton as well an O2 decrease from the burning of the Amazon region for agriculture. Future generations may remember those “halcyon days” when just CO2 levels were the culprit.

As a UMD and U of M grad, I’ve followed Bulldog and Gophers sports. I was a little skeptical that one could win football games by “rowing a boat”, but results speak for themselves. I thought Fleck’s post game interview yesterday was a class act. Happy New Year All!

Thursday, January 2
Scott Atwater

The Bonfires in this country are going to pray us right back into the dark ages again.

Why is it that the warmers ignore facts so easily? Why do they ignore the fact that the IPCC has repeatedly been caught falsifying climate data? I grow weary of continuously stating that virtually no one denies climate change, the cause of climate change being attributed to carbon based fuels is the issue.

Fact: The antarctic ice sheet is increasing in size. In 2014 it achieved it's largest size at any time in recorded history.

Fact: Alpine glaciers in Glacier National Park have been receding for over 300 years since the end of "the little ice age" in 1815. The warming of the past 300 years and the resulting recession of alpine glaciers predated humans building coal-fired power plants and driving SUVs.

The climate changes folks, always has and always will.

Closing question for the local members of the Warmer religion: If indeed you are correct, and the warming trend reverses after you eliminate the use of fossil fuels, what's your plan if temperatures go too low............build new coal fired power plants as fast as you can? LMAO.

Thursday, January 2
Mark Josephson

Thanks for your opinion Scott. We all agree that the climate is changing, always has, always will. Inputs have changed.

Happy New Year! It should be an entertaining one.

Thursday, January 2
snowshoe2

In the meantime, while the unexpected, decades-long overall increases in Antarctic sea ice extent are still being puzzled out, the sea ice extent has taken a dramatic turn and stopped from relatively gradual increases to very rapid decreases. On a yearly average basis, the peak sea ice extent since 1978 came in 2014. Since then, the decreases have been so great that the yearly averages for 2017 and 2018 are the lowest in the entire 1979–2018 record, essentially wiping out the 40 years of overall ice extent increases in just a few years. Record low ice was reached in 2019. The meltdowns were much faster than years of increase.

Overall worldwide ice coverage has been decreasing even if one area may had a bump in ice coverage.

Thursday, January 2
Lee Peterson

If Greta Thunberg were my daughter, I would be very proud of her.

The slanderous comment below certainly defines "Scott Atwater", Again.

Saturday, January 4
Scott Atwater

If Greta Thunberg were my daughter, I'd explain to her the importance of attending school regularly and getting the best education possible. I'd also have a serious conversation with her about being wary of adults exploiting children for their own self serving agendas.

As for Lee Petersen, does anyone honestly believe that he would be "very proud of his daughter" if she were a spokesperson for the National Rifle Association as opposed to the spokesperson for Man Made Climate Change? That's the real character test folks.

Sunday, January 12
bonfire

Oy, the deep irony of the deluded, outfoxed so to speak, pontificating on exploitation.

Sunday, January 12
snowshoe2

I think Greta Thunberg has the intelligent's and education and ability to do critical thinking is far beyond most people already. She trying to do what I was told growing up. Try to make the world a little better in your lifetime than what you inherited. Some have decided to make it worse. Yes I would be proud if she was my daughter also.

Yes she had the smarts to speak out on subjects that really count. But some don't care about others future,just their short term personnel gain.

Monday, January 20
Steve Jacobson

Sums don't use spell check!

Tuesday, January 21
Mark Josephson

“Paris to Pittsburgh”.

Tuesday, January 21